“If there is one more salient character of revealed religion than another, it is confidence, certainty-positiveness! “Thus saith the Lord”-“I have a message from God unto thee.” But this is just that spirit against which the public mind rebels,-it will have truth and falsehood-the revelation of God and the lubrications of men, dealt with alike-philosophically, liberally, without preference or partiality-as perhaps true, or perhaps false, but all alike to be regarded with a sort of Platonic composure-we will not say, indifference,-the result obviously being to enlarge the region of Doubt.” Page 2.
CLOSE, FRANCIS (The Footsteps of Error Traced Through Twenty-Five Years; Or, Superstition, The Parent of Modern Doubt by Francis Close. London. 1863. Hatchard and Co.)
Saturday, November 14, 2009
Sabbath Keeping or Lord's Day Worship?
Many Christians are being troubled by scruples ( and erring pastors) concerning the "correct" day of worship and whether or not Christians are obligated to observe the Sabbath in the same way as enjoined upon the Jewish nation (Exodus 20:8-11). The following correspondence exemplifies the nature of the question, and provides a response affirming the liberty of the Christian from the curse and dead works of the law.
Pastor Turner,
I have a question that you may have answered on your website (but I missed finding it if you did.) I was brought up accepting Sunday worship, and in some of my studies I see some things that lead me to believe we should be observing "the Sabbath" as well, at the very least. I've researched some books. There is “evidence” provided that the Catholic Church is responsible for dictating Sunday worship (dating from Constantine in the 300’s.)--pretty compelling comments from bishops, priests, and cardinals all the way back to the early centuries of Christianity.
I hoped you would give me your opinion on this, and if you disagree, maybe you can provide me the clear cut evidence for Sunday (as the day of worship for Christians)in your reply??
Thank you and God Bless,
R.G.
------
Dear R.G.:
Thanks for your most cordial inquiry.
#1) If a Saturday Sabbath observance is mandatory upon Gentile believers, "the church of the living God, which is the pillar and ground of the truth has been in error for 1900 and 70 or so years.
#2) If the supposition is true that the Church should keep the Sabbath as a day of Rest (that is what it was, a day of rest) and the Sabbath is Saturday, then it is not what Moses said it is in Exodus 31:17: "it (the Sabbath) is a sign between me and the children of Israel forever."
#3) There is no reiteration of the Sabbath commandment any place in the New Testament to a believer in Jesus Christ.
#4) IN Acts 13, four points -and four only - were enjoined on the Gentile who believed in Jesus: to abstain from things strangled; to abstain from the eating of blood; to abstain from fornication; and from meats offered to idols. The Sabbath was not enjoined on gentile Christians anywhere, though the other nine commandments are repeated variously in the gospels and elsewhere. Therefore, we must conclude that the Sabbath, is what God said it was, a sign between the nation of Israel and God of a perpetual nature. Hence it is that Jew, not Christians, gather on Saturdays.
#5) Every Sabbatarian I have met, without exception, seeks to put men under the law, to cause them to "fall from grace." The Sabbath keeping thing is the opening guns of those that would put man under the law, that is, under the curse.
#6) The words of the Bible take precedence over history. We are free from the law, dead to the law, and alive in Christ, therefore we follow the commandments of Christ and his apostles in the New Testament, serving in newness of spirit, not oldness of letter.
The greatest work I have read outside the Bible on this topic is SEVENTH DAY ADVENSTISM RENOUNCED by Elder Canright. It has never been refuted.
I trust this will help you as you seek the bottom line truth of the matter. We must go by Scripture. The Scripture mentions laying by in store offerings on the first day of the week (Paul said that), and though Paul disputed in the synagogues we do not find him anywhere telling Gentile Christians to worship on Saturday.
I have preached thoroughly on this, and have posted the sermon relevant to it which you can find at: http://av1611reformation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/the-sabbath-pastor-nelson-turner-10-29-2002.mp3 .
God's blessings to you in the grace of Christ alone.
Pastor Nelson Turner
Pastor Turner,
I have a question that you may have answered on your website (but I missed finding it if you did.) I was brought up accepting Sunday worship, and in some of my studies I see some things that lead me to believe we should be observing "the Sabbath" as well, at the very least. I've researched some books. There is “evidence” provided that the Catholic Church is responsible for dictating Sunday worship (dating from Constantine in the 300’s.)--pretty compelling comments from bishops, priests, and cardinals all the way back to the early centuries of Christianity.
I hoped you would give me your opinion on this, and if you disagree, maybe you can provide me the clear cut evidence for Sunday (as the day of worship for Christians)in your reply??
Thank you and God Bless,
R.G.
------
Dear R.G.:
Thanks for your most cordial inquiry.
#1) If a Saturday Sabbath observance is mandatory upon Gentile believers, "the church of the living God, which is the pillar and ground of the truth has been in error for 1900 and 70 or so years.
#2) If the supposition is true that the Church should keep the Sabbath as a day of Rest (that is what it was, a day of rest) and the Sabbath is Saturday, then it is not what Moses said it is in Exodus 31:17: "it (the Sabbath) is a sign between me and the children of Israel forever."
#3) There is no reiteration of the Sabbath commandment any place in the New Testament to a believer in Jesus Christ.
#4) IN Acts 13, four points -and four only - were enjoined on the Gentile who believed in Jesus: to abstain from things strangled; to abstain from the eating of blood; to abstain from fornication; and from meats offered to idols. The Sabbath was not enjoined on gentile Christians anywhere, though the other nine commandments are repeated variously in the gospels and elsewhere. Therefore, we must conclude that the Sabbath, is what God said it was, a sign between the nation of Israel and God of a perpetual nature. Hence it is that Jew, not Christians, gather on Saturdays.
#5) Every Sabbatarian I have met, without exception, seeks to put men under the law, to cause them to "fall from grace." The Sabbath keeping thing is the opening guns of those that would put man under the law, that is, under the curse.
#6) The words of the Bible take precedence over history. We are free from the law, dead to the law, and alive in Christ, therefore we follow the commandments of Christ and his apostles in the New Testament, serving in newness of spirit, not oldness of letter.
The greatest work I have read outside the Bible on this topic is SEVENTH DAY ADVENSTISM RENOUNCED by Elder Canright. It has never been refuted.
I trust this will help you as you seek the bottom line truth of the matter. We must go by Scripture. The Scripture mentions laying by in store offerings on the first day of the week (Paul said that), and though Paul disputed in the synagogues we do not find him anywhere telling Gentile Christians to worship on Saturday.
I have preached thoroughly on this, and have posted the sermon relevant to it which you can find at: http://av1611reformation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/the-sabbath-pastor-nelson-turner-10-29-2002.mp3 .
God's blessings to you in the grace of Christ alone.
Pastor Nelson Turner
"Holly-Days" Are NOT Here For Christians
The following sermons deal with the true origins of the "Christ-mass" phenomenon in Western culture, and the backstory to many holiday customs.
(Clicking on the links below will cause them to play in your browser's media player. If the file does not open and play, you can download the file to your computer by right clicking on the link and selecting "Save Target As". Save to a location on your computer from which you can open it, or transfer it to your .mp3 player.)
A Black Christmas - Pastor Nelson Turner - 12-25-2004
Deck the Halls - Pastor Nelson Turner
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." Ephesians 5:11
"...and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils." 1 Corinthians 10:20
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" 2 Corinthians 6:14
"And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments." Exodus 20:1-6
(Clicking on the links below will cause them to play in your browser's media player. If the file does not open and play, you can download the file to your computer by right clicking on the link and selecting "Save Target As". Save to a location on your computer from which you can open it, or transfer it to your .mp3 player.)
A Black Christmas - Pastor Nelson Turner - 12-25-2004
Deck the Halls - Pastor Nelson Turner
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." Ephesians 5:11
"...and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils." 1 Corinthians 10:20
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" 2 Corinthians 6:14
"And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments." Exodus 20:1-6
Contending for the Faith
Produce your cause, saith the LORD;
bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob. Isaiah 41:21
In a sermon earlier this year, Pastor Turner presented a challenge to any minister or preacher (competent to accept it) to arrange for an open forum discussion of the following:
1) The indisputable evidence for "The Doctrines Of Grace" -- so-called five point Calvinism (TULIP) -- in the Bible.
2) The inerrancy, infallibility, and purity of the word of God in the English language as found in the AV1611 King James Bible.
3) The false religion, false Christ, false faith and false hope contained in modern translations of the Bible which have deliberately corrupted the word of God.
4) The impurity of the corporate "churches" (501-3c) which have become vassals of the state (and even more insidiously of the "Church of Rome").
To demonstrate his confidence in the truth of his position -- because it is revealed in the word of God and by indisputble evidence from history -- Pastor Turner offered to conduct his side of the discussion without directly consulting the Bible or other books.
A gentleman who visited the AV1611Reformation.com website and saw the challenge offered by Pastor Turner recently attempted to arrange such a forum featuring Pastor Turner and the following prominent internet "preachers" among others: David Cloud, Dave Hunt, Peter S. Ruckman, Gail Ripplinger.
Interestingly, none of those contacted was willing to accept the challenge as the correspondence below demonstrates.
Subsequent to the back-and-forth e-mails Pastor Turner preached the sermon "A New Generation" to specifically address how these preachers, and others like them harm the Church and deny God's word while embracing doctrines contrary to revealed truth. This subject was also covered in an audio sermon posted on this website "Message for Bashers of Calvinism" .
All visitors to this website are invited to review this material, and to come to a fair judgement regarding it.
The correspondence mentioned above is posted here for your review:
show details Oct 14
From: “joseph alexander”
To: “Nelson Turner”
Dear Sir,
I recently listened to your sermon on Calvinist bashers(relistened I should say). I was wondering if you had personally delivered that challenge to any prominent anti-Calvinists eg. Peter Ruckman,David Cloud, Dave Hunt etc. If you haven't I would like to deliver it personally to possibly all three of the above mentioned. I saw a Ruckman video some time ago, in which Ruckman was exulting that he had won a debate with a Calvinist: actually, no one had showed up for the debate, and Ruckman was declaring that he had won the debate. It would be great if a debate between yourself and the above mentioned could be posted on say You Tube.
Sincerely
Joseph Alexander
Joseph Alexander sent a message using the contact form at
http://www.thebereancall.org/contact/E-mail+Questions.
This is directed to Mr. Dave Hunt. Would you be interested in engaging in
debate with a Calvinist? This would be a public debate and will have to be
broadcast on the Internet. I am not the Calvinist debater but there is such
a Calvinist on the Internet,who is challenging all Calvinist bashers such
as yourself in open public debate. Please let me know.
From: "joseph alexander"
To: "Nelson Turner"
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:11:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: FW:
Dear Sir,
forwarding the great champion's response to my request. Seems like you are right,they will not engage in honest debate.
Joseph Alexander
----- Forwarded Message -----
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:49:22 -0700
From: customerservice@thebereancall.org
To: joseph alexander
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [E-mail Questions] Calvinism Debate]
Hello
It is difficult to see anything productive coming from a challenge highlighted by name calling: "there is such a Calvinist on the Internet,who is challenging all Calvinist bashers such as yourself in open public debate." It is indeed of concern that the admonition of Ephesians 4:29 seems to have been forgotten by many today. In truth, some have asked: Why does Dave Hunt refuse to debate publicly with James White? The book, "Debating Calvinism" is not a valid, helpful exchange. Is Dave afraid to have his views examined by Mr. White?”
Consider the reasoning. If Dave were afraid to have his views examined by Mr White, why did he invest months in a book that preserves his views, thoughts, and position for anyone to examine at length, repeatedly, and at their leisure? The reader can examine the statements, their sources, go back and forth between the two positions, and examine with greater depth than allowed in a live debate format. It is not reasonable, therefore, to state that the book "Debating Calvinism" is "not a valid, helpful exchange."
Due to its very nature a live debate may often give only a snapshot analysis of the issues involved. While it may prove a partisan crowd pleaser, it is simply incorrect to deem it a superior forum. For these reasons, Mr Hunt has decided that the book will stand as his response.
Further, Dave has previously replied to accusations that he has ducked debates in the past: http://www.thebereancall.org/calbook.htm
Finally, as Dave enters his 84th year, he believes the Lord would have him concentrate upon finishing the books he has before him. Some of these are projects which have been in process for several years. Consequently, he regrets that he can no longer reply regarding the many books, articles, and other materials he regularly receives. His speaking schedule has also been greatly reduced to a few meetings a year to those Dave has had a long time commitment.
Because of this, Dave has had to regretfully decline all requests for critique or comment.
Your understanding and prayers are certainly requested.
Thank you for writing.
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: joseph alexander
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:41 AM
To: dcloud@wayoflife.org
Subject:
Dear Sir,
Would you be interested in debating a Calvinist? Please understand that I am not that person. I am simply conveying a message from a Calvinist on the Internet who has made an open challenge to all comers. Please let me know.
Sincerely
Joseph Alexander
From: “joseph alexander”
To: “Nelson Turner”
Here is the great "Baptist" contender of the faith's reply
Joseph Alexander
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: dcloud@wayoflife.org
To: joseph alexander
Subject: RE:
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:10:01 +0545
I am not a debater. D. Cloud
Pastor Turner's Reply (show details Oct 16)
drogheda@comcast.net to joseph, et al
This only highlights what I said in the message concerning Calvinist bashers. I am not a prophet, but I know that God has called me to preach the everlasting Gospel and earnestly contend for the faith. As God gives me grace, I will meet all challengers [who are in denial of the Doctrines of Grace and the infallibility of the King James Bible] as the providence of God allows. These men are reprobate concerning the faith, by their own testimony, and have shown us they have not the same spirit as Paul and the apostles. In spiritual warfare, there is no quarter, no holding back the sword of the spirit from blood. To the Lord Jesus Christ alone be all honor, praise, blessing glory and power, both now and forever more. Pastor Nelson C. Turner
bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob. Isaiah 41:21
In a sermon earlier this year, Pastor Turner presented a challenge to any minister or preacher (competent to accept it) to arrange for an open forum discussion of the following:
1) The indisputable evidence for "The Doctrines Of Grace" -- so-called five point Calvinism (TULIP) -- in the Bible.
2) The inerrancy, infallibility, and purity of the word of God in the English language as found in the AV1611 King James Bible.
3) The false religion, false Christ, false faith and false hope contained in modern translations of the Bible which have deliberately corrupted the word of God.
4) The impurity of the corporate "churches" (501-3c) which have become vassals of the state (and even more insidiously of the "Church of Rome").
To demonstrate his confidence in the truth of his position -- because it is revealed in the word of God and by indisputble evidence from history -- Pastor Turner offered to conduct his side of the discussion without directly consulting the Bible or other books.
A gentleman who visited the AV1611Reformation.com website and saw the challenge offered by Pastor Turner recently attempted to arrange such a forum featuring Pastor Turner and the following prominent internet "preachers" among others: David Cloud, Dave Hunt, Peter S. Ruckman, Gail Ripplinger.
Interestingly, none of those contacted was willing to accept the challenge as the correspondence below demonstrates.
Subsequent to the back-and-forth e-mails Pastor Turner preached the sermon "A New Generation" to specifically address how these preachers, and others like them harm the Church and deny God's word while embracing doctrines contrary to revealed truth. This subject was also covered in an audio sermon posted on this website "Message for Bashers of Calvinism" .
All visitors to this website are invited to review this material, and to come to a fair judgement regarding it.
The correspondence mentioned above is posted here for your review:
show details Oct 14
From: “joseph alexander”
To: “Nelson Turner”
Dear Sir,
I recently listened to your sermon on Calvinist bashers(relistened I should say). I was wondering if you had personally delivered that challenge to any prominent anti-Calvinists eg. Peter Ruckman,David Cloud, Dave Hunt etc. If you haven't I would like to deliver it personally to possibly all three of the above mentioned. I saw a Ruckman video some time ago, in which Ruckman was exulting that he had won a debate with a Calvinist: actually, no one had showed up for the debate, and Ruckman was declaring that he had won the debate. It would be great if a debate between yourself and the above mentioned could be posted on say You Tube.
Sincerely
Joseph Alexander
Joseph Alexander sent a message using the contact form at
http://www.thebereancall.org/contact/E-mail+Questions.
This is directed to Mr. Dave Hunt. Would you be interested in engaging in
debate with a Calvinist? This would be a public debate and will have to be
broadcast on the Internet. I am not the Calvinist debater but there is such
a Calvinist on the Internet,who is challenging all Calvinist bashers such
as yourself in open public debate. Please let me know.
From: "joseph alexander"
To: "Nelson Turner"
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:11:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: FW:
Dear Sir,
forwarding the great champion's response to my request. Seems like you are right,they will not engage in honest debate.
Joseph Alexander
----- Forwarded Message -----
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:49:22 -0700
From: customerservice@thebereancall.org
To: joseph alexander
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [E-mail Questions] Calvinism Debate]
Hello
It is difficult to see anything productive coming from a challenge highlighted by name calling: "there is such a Calvinist on the Internet,who is challenging all Calvinist bashers such as yourself in open public debate." It is indeed of concern that the admonition of Ephesians 4:29 seems to have been forgotten by many today. In truth, some have asked: Why does Dave Hunt refuse to debate publicly with James White? The book, "Debating Calvinism" is not a valid, helpful exchange. Is Dave afraid to have his views examined by Mr. White?”
Consider the reasoning. If Dave were afraid to have his views examined by Mr White, why did he invest months in a book that preserves his views, thoughts, and position for anyone to examine at length, repeatedly, and at their leisure? The reader can examine the statements, their sources, go back and forth between the two positions, and examine with greater depth than allowed in a live debate format. It is not reasonable, therefore, to state that the book "Debating Calvinism" is "not a valid, helpful exchange."
Due to its very nature a live debate may often give only a snapshot analysis of the issues involved. While it may prove a partisan crowd pleaser, it is simply incorrect to deem it a superior forum. For these reasons, Mr Hunt has decided that the book will stand as his response.
Further, Dave has previously replied to accusations that he has ducked debates in the past: http://www.thebereancall.org/calbook.htm
Finally, as Dave enters his 84th year, he believes the Lord would have him concentrate upon finishing the books he has before him. Some of these are projects which have been in process for several years. Consequently, he regrets that he can no longer reply regarding the many books, articles, and other materials he regularly receives. His speaking schedule has also been greatly reduced to a few meetings a year to those Dave has had a long time commitment.
Because of this, Dave has had to regretfully decline all requests for critique or comment.
Your understanding and prayers are certainly requested.
Thank you for writing.
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: joseph alexander
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:41 AM
To: dcloud@wayoflife.org
Subject:
Dear Sir,
Would you be interested in debating a Calvinist? Please understand that I am not that person. I am simply conveying a message from a Calvinist on the Internet who has made an open challenge to all comers. Please let me know.
Sincerely
Joseph Alexander
From: “joseph alexander”
To: “Nelson Turner”
Here is the great "Baptist" contender of the faith's reply
Joseph Alexander
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: dcloud@wayoflife.org
To: joseph alexander
Subject: RE:
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:10:01 +0545
I am not a debater. D. Cloud
Pastor Turner's Reply (show details Oct 16)
drogheda@comcast.net to joseph, et al
This only highlights what I said in the message concerning Calvinist bashers. I am not a prophet, but I know that God has called me to preach the everlasting Gospel and earnestly contend for the faith. As God gives me grace, I will meet all challengers [who are in denial of the Doctrines of Grace and the infallibility of the King James Bible] as the providence of God allows. These men are reprobate concerning the faith, by their own testimony, and have shown us they have not the same spirit as Paul and the apostles. In spiritual warfare, there is no quarter, no holding back the sword of the spirit from blood. To the Lord Jesus Christ alone be all honor, praise, blessing glory and power, both now and forever more. Pastor Nelson C. Turner
Militant Catholicism
Militant Catholicism
(The following quotes and images reveal the abominations of the Romish sect; its disorientation from the true faith founded by the Lord Jesus Christ; and the threats it poses to the God-given rights and freedoms of people throughout the world as it seeks to establish a world government under its pope along with his master, the “black pope” Superior General of the Jesuits.)
“We of the Catholic Church are ready to go to Death for the Church. Under God, she is the supreme object of our worship. Tell us that we think more of the Church than we do of the United States; of course we do. Tell us we are Catholics first and Americans or Englishmen afterwards; of course we are. Tell us, in the conflict between the Church and the civil government we take the side of the Church; of course we do. Why, if the Government of the United States were at war with the Church, we would say tomorrow, “To hell wit h the Government of the United States;” and if the Church were at war, we would say, “To hell with all the governments of the world.” They say we are Catholics first and Americans decidedly afterwards. There is no doubt about it. We are Catholics first and we love the Church more than we love any and all the governments of the world; and we love the Church more than we love our fathers and mothers, we love the church more than we love our children. Why? Because we are children of Jesus Christ, and He says, “Unless you leave father and mother, sisters and brothers, kinsfolk and acquaintances for My sake, you are not worthy of Me.” I love the people of America; I love the pe ople of every nation; I glory in their loyalty; but let the governments of the world steer clear of the Catholic Church; let the emperors, let the kings, let the Presidents not come in conflict with the head of the Catholic Church. Because the Catholic Church is everything to all the Catholics of the world, they renounce all nationalities where there is a question of loyalty to her. And why is it the Pope is so strong? Why is it that in this country, where we have only seven per cent of the population, the Catholic Church is so much feared? She is loved by all her children, and feared by everybody. Why is it the Pope is such a tremendous power? Why, the Pope is the rule of the world!&n bsp; All the emperors, all the kings, all the princes, all the Presidents of the world to-day are as these altar boys of mine. The Pope is the ruler of the world. Why? Because he is the ruler of the Catholics of the world, the Catholics of all the world would die for the rights of the Pope. He is the head of the Church, and they would de for the Church. And the Church is the Church of Jesus Christ, and they need not have any misgivings on that score; there need be no misconceptions there-the Catholics of the world are Catholics first and always; they are Americans, they are Germans, they are French, or they are English afterward.”” - Priest Phelan (Editor of THE WESTERN WATCHMAN, JUNE 27,1912 FROM THE ARTICLE “Catholics are Royal Now: They Will Be Divine” delivered in a sermon on June 30, 1912. Cited from THE POPE - CHIEF OF WHITE SLAVERS, by Jeremiah Crowley, self published.)
“LET THE PRIEST APPROACH THE ALTAR AS ANOTHER CHRIST.”
Click on link above to read Quotations from Alphonsus De Liguori from THE DIGNITY AND DUTY OF THE PRIEST, and closely read the content of his statements, which declare the priest to be the “soul winner.”
KJV Revelation 17:18 - And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
“The continuance of Popery depends upon this country alone. Extinguish it in the United States , and it dies everywhere. The old world is sick of it; it has cursed it long enough. It is for us alone to say whether it shall live or die. Americans alone can sound the death knell of Popery…”
(Statement by William Hogan, Esquire, ex-priest and champion for American freedom in the 1800’s.)
THE ANSWER TO THE ABOVE IS THIS:
HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF
Ecclesiastes 1:9, 10: “The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.”
The truth of these verses is demonstrated by a comparison of the current behavior of the chief executive of the United States , and no doubt will apply to his successor as well. Eternal truth has its application and demonstration in every generation, and ours is no exception. From the seminal work THE HISTORY OF SCOTLAND by James Hill Burton , we cite the following declaration by the representatives of the people of Scotland concerning the Jesuit, Papist, murdering reprobate James VII of Scotland (James II of England ). The past is alive today! (From book VII, Pages 285-286, The History of Scotland, James Hill Burton, Published by William Blackwood and Sons, Edinburgh, 1905.)
“On the 4th of April, the Estates passed a vote declaring that King James had forfeited his right to the crown, and that the throne had become vacant.
This Vote contains an arraignment of the fugitive monarch for the offences held to justify the doom pronounced on him. Among these, his efforts for the establishment of Popery are conspicuous. They are followed by a catalogue of outrages against the liberties and rights of the people of Scotland: He had converted the limited monarchy with which he was intrusted into an arbitrary despotism; he had imposed oaths and tests contrary to law; he had exacted money without the consent of Parliament; he had covered the country with an irresponsible and oppressive standing army not sanctioned by the constitution; he had made the soldiers of this army supersede the constitutional judges, and inflict penalties; he had extended the use of judicial torture beyond its legal limits; he had suppressed the privileges of the municipal corporations because they were a refuge from tyranny; he had corrupted and intimidated the bench, dictating the judgments they were to give, and altering the constitution of the courts to make them pliant. For all these offences, “The Estates of the kingdom of Scotland find and declare that King James the Seventh, being a profest Papist, did assume the regal power and acted as king without taking the oath required by law, and hath by the advice of evil and wicked councilors invaded the fundamental constitution of this kingdom, and altered it from a legal limited monarchy to an arbitrary despotic power, and hath exercised the same to the subversion of the Protestant religion, and the violation of the laws and liberties of the nation, inverting all the ends of governments, whereby he hath FOREFAULTED the right to the crown, and the throne is become VACANT.””
To anyone familiar with the activities of the chief executive and recent chief executives, there should be no dispute concerning the correlation between the past and the present. “Outrages against the liberties and rights of the people” will continue to be perpetrated against the populace, until “the people” are willing to do whatever is necessitated to defend themselves and restore their civil and religious liberties. This is the American heritage bequeathed Americans by the nations founders, but will Americans lay their fortunes, lives and sacred honor on the line, or continue to grovel like whipped dogs in a Popish kennel?
Below see the photograph of Bush presenting JP II with the Presidential Medal of Freedom
“Our public interest depends on private character.”
“Sometimes in life we are called to do great things. But as a saint of our times has said, every day we are called to do small things with great love.”
“I will bring the values of our history to the care of our times.”
“An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.”
George Bush inaugural speech, 2001
The private character of a man is indicated by his public actions. Whose history is it that gives George Bush the values he possesses? Is it a small thing of great love to present a Medal of Freedom to an international megalomaniac and tyrant? What is the name of this angel of whom Bush speaks? Perhaps it is the angel “whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
It has often been said that a man is known by the company he keeps. Or, “Evil communications corrupt good manners.” Birds of a feather flock together. Proverbs 23:27-28: “For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman is a narrow pit. She also lieth in wait as for a prey, and increaseth the transgressors among men.”
President George Bush presents the pontiff with some gifts at the Vatican Saturday, June 9, 2007 . The Vatican said Bush had warm talks with the Pope. Proverbs 7:10-14: And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart. (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house: Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.) So she caught him, and kissed him, and with an impudent face said unto him, I have peace offerings with me; this day have I payed my vows.
Revelation 18:3 “For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.”
(The following quotes and images reveal the abominations of the Romish sect; its disorientation from the true faith founded by the Lord Jesus Christ; and the threats it poses to the God-given rights and freedoms of people throughout the world as it seeks to establish a world government under its pope along with his master, the “black pope” Superior General of the Jesuits.)
“We of the Catholic Church are ready to go to Death for the Church. Under God, she is the supreme object of our worship. Tell us that we think more of the Church than we do of the United States; of course we do. Tell us we are Catholics first and Americans or Englishmen afterwards; of course we are. Tell us, in the conflict between the Church and the civil government we take the side of the Church; of course we do. Why, if the Government of the United States were at war with the Church, we would say tomorrow, “To hell wit h the Government of the United States;” and if the Church were at war, we would say, “To hell with all the governments of the world.” They say we are Catholics first and Americans decidedly afterwards. There is no doubt about it. We are Catholics first and we love the Church more than we love any and all the governments of the world; and we love the Church more than we love our fathers and mothers, we love the church more than we love our children. Why? Because we are children of Jesus Christ, and He says, “Unless you leave father and mother, sisters and brothers, kinsfolk and acquaintances for My sake, you are not worthy of Me.” I love the people of America; I love the pe ople of every nation; I glory in their loyalty; but let the governments of the world steer clear of the Catholic Church; let the emperors, let the kings, let the Presidents not come in conflict with the head of the Catholic Church. Because the Catholic Church is everything to all the Catholics of the world, they renounce all nationalities where there is a question of loyalty to her. And why is it the Pope is so strong? Why is it that in this country, where we have only seven per cent of the population, the Catholic Church is so much feared? She is loved by all her children, and feared by everybody. Why is it the Pope is such a tremendous power? Why, the Pope is the rule of the world!&n bsp; All the emperors, all the kings, all the princes, all the Presidents of the world to-day are as these altar boys of mine. The Pope is the ruler of the world. Why? Because he is the ruler of the Catholics of the world, the Catholics of all the world would die for the rights of the Pope. He is the head of the Church, and they would de for the Church. And the Church is the Church of Jesus Christ, and they need not have any misgivings on that score; there need be no misconceptions there-the Catholics of the world are Catholics first and always; they are Americans, they are Germans, they are French, or they are English afterward.”” - Priest Phelan (Editor of THE WESTERN WATCHMAN, JUNE 27,1912 FROM THE ARTICLE “Catholics are Royal Now: They Will Be Divine” delivered in a sermon on June 30, 1912. Cited from THE POPE - CHIEF OF WHITE SLAVERS, by Jeremiah Crowley, self published.)
“LET THE PRIEST APPROACH THE ALTAR AS ANOTHER CHRIST.”
Click on link above to read Quotations from Alphonsus De Liguori from THE DIGNITY AND DUTY OF THE PRIEST, and closely read the content of his statements, which declare the priest to be the “soul winner.”
KJV Revelation 17:18 - And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
“The continuance of Popery depends upon this country alone. Extinguish it in the United States , and it dies everywhere. The old world is sick of it; it has cursed it long enough. It is for us alone to say whether it shall live or die. Americans alone can sound the death knell of Popery…”
(Statement by William Hogan, Esquire, ex-priest and champion for American freedom in the 1800’s.)
THE ANSWER TO THE ABOVE IS THIS:
HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF
Ecclesiastes 1:9, 10: “The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.”
The truth of these verses is demonstrated by a comparison of the current behavior of the chief executive of the United States , and no doubt will apply to his successor as well. Eternal truth has its application and demonstration in every generation, and ours is no exception. From the seminal work THE HISTORY OF SCOTLAND by James Hill Burton , we cite the following declaration by the representatives of the people of Scotland concerning the Jesuit, Papist, murdering reprobate James VII of Scotland (James II of England ). The past is alive today! (From book VII, Pages 285-286, The History of Scotland, James Hill Burton, Published by William Blackwood and Sons, Edinburgh, 1905.)
“On the 4th of April, the Estates passed a vote declaring that King James had forfeited his right to the crown, and that the throne had become vacant.
This Vote contains an arraignment of the fugitive monarch for the offences held to justify the doom pronounced on him. Among these, his efforts for the establishment of Popery are conspicuous. They are followed by a catalogue of outrages against the liberties and rights of the people of Scotland: He had converted the limited monarchy with which he was intrusted into an arbitrary despotism; he had imposed oaths and tests contrary to law; he had exacted money without the consent of Parliament; he had covered the country with an irresponsible and oppressive standing army not sanctioned by the constitution; he had made the soldiers of this army supersede the constitutional judges, and inflict penalties; he had extended the use of judicial torture beyond its legal limits; he had suppressed the privileges of the municipal corporations because they were a refuge from tyranny; he had corrupted and intimidated the bench, dictating the judgments they were to give, and altering the constitution of the courts to make them pliant. For all these offences, “The Estates of the kingdom of Scotland find and declare that King James the Seventh, being a profest Papist, did assume the regal power and acted as king without taking the oath required by law, and hath by the advice of evil and wicked councilors invaded the fundamental constitution of this kingdom, and altered it from a legal limited monarchy to an arbitrary despotic power, and hath exercised the same to the subversion of the Protestant religion, and the violation of the laws and liberties of the nation, inverting all the ends of governments, whereby he hath FOREFAULTED the right to the crown, and the throne is become VACANT.””
To anyone familiar with the activities of the chief executive and recent chief executives, there should be no dispute concerning the correlation between the past and the present. “Outrages against the liberties and rights of the people” will continue to be perpetrated against the populace, until “the people” are willing to do whatever is necessitated to defend themselves and restore their civil and religious liberties. This is the American heritage bequeathed Americans by the nations founders, but will Americans lay their fortunes, lives and sacred honor on the line, or continue to grovel like whipped dogs in a Popish kennel?
Below see the photograph of Bush presenting JP II with the Presidential Medal of Freedom
“Our public interest depends on private character.”
“Sometimes in life we are called to do great things. But as a saint of our times has said, every day we are called to do small things with great love.”
“I will bring the values of our history to the care of our times.”
“An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.”
George Bush inaugural speech, 2001
The private character of a man is indicated by his public actions. Whose history is it that gives George Bush the values he possesses? Is it a small thing of great love to present a Medal of Freedom to an international megalomaniac and tyrant? What is the name of this angel of whom Bush speaks? Perhaps it is the angel “whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
It has often been said that a man is known by the company he keeps. Or, “Evil communications corrupt good manners.” Birds of a feather flock together. Proverbs 23:27-28: “For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman is a narrow pit. She also lieth in wait as for a prey, and increaseth the transgressors among men.”
President George Bush presents the pontiff with some gifts at the Vatican Saturday, June 9, 2007 . The Vatican said Bush had warm talks with the Pope. Proverbs 7:10-14: And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart. (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house: Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.) So she caught him, and kissed him, and with an impudent face said unto him, I have peace offerings with me; this day have I payed my vows.
Revelation 18:3 “For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.”
Friday, November 13, 2009
CONSTITUTIONALISM VERSUS IMPERIALISM
”The real struggle is…between constitutionalism and imperialism; between the effort to guarantee to every individual his inherent rights and the disposition to override, to ignore, or to deny them, no matter by whom it is entertained.”Democracy, as well as monarchy, may be imperial and unconstitutional. The will of many may be as arbitrary, as absolute, as unjust, and even as cruel as the will of one. Progress toward the recognition and the guarantee of all inherent rights can be made only by opposing imperialism in whatever guise it may appear, and by sustaining constitutionalism as a system of public guarantees. Imperialism and constitutionalism-these are the great landmarks. It is upon this frontier that the battle must be waged. What is the answer of democracy?”
“Regarded concretely, this conflict may be reduced to very simple terms. On the one hand are principles capable of clear statement and universal application-the immutable principles of justice based on mutual obligation. On the other hand are human personalities-often highly intelligent, plausible, eloquent, and sometimes personally attractive-who, in exchange for power promise to those who follow them rich rewards. Trust them, they pledge themselves, they will reapportion the wealth of the world, they will so reconstruct society, that those who have felt themselves outstripped in the race of life shall wear its laurels, shall rejoice in plenty, and shall rule where they have served.
Citations from The People’s Government by David Jayne Hill
(President of Bucknell & Univ. of Rochester (1850-1932); Assistant Secretary of State (1898-1903); Minister to Switzerland (1903-1905); Minister to Netherlands (1905-1908); and Minister to Germany (1908-1911).)
”The real struggle is…between constitutionalism and imperialism; between the effort to guarantee to every individual his inherent rights and the disposition to override, to ignore, or to deny them, no matter by whom it is entertained.”Democracy, as well as monarchy, may be imperial and unconstitutional. The will of many may be as arbitrary, as absolute, as unjust, and even as cruel as the will of one. Progress toward the recognition and the guarantee of all inherent rights can be made only by opposing imperialism in whatever guise it may appear, and by sustaining constitutionalism as a system of public guarantees. Imperialism and constitutionalism-these are the great landmarks. It is upon this frontier that the battle must be waged. What is the answer of democracy?”
“Regarded concretely, this conflict may be reduced to very simple terms. On the one hand are principles capable of clear statement and universal application-the immutable principles of justice based on mutual obligation. On the other hand are human personalities-often highly intelligent, plausible, eloquent, and sometimes personally attractive-who, in exchange for power promise to those who follow them rich rewards. Trust them, they pledge themselves, they will reapportion the wealth of the world, they will so reconstruct society, that those who have felt themselves outstripped in the race of life shall wear its laurels, shall rejoice in plenty, and shall rule where they have served.
Citations from The People’s Government by David Jayne Hill
(President of Bucknell & Univ. of Rochester (1850-1932); Assistant Secretary of State (1898-1903); Minister to Switzerland (1903-1905); Minister to Netherlands (1905-1908); and Minister to Germany (1908-1911).)
Monday, May 18, 2009
Ignatius, Spying and Sedition-From A Work in Progress copyright 2009 N.C.Turner
Ignatius, Spying and Sedition-From A Work in Progress
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The nativity of Ignatius in the mountainous Basque region of Spain would seem an unlikely place to produce a son that would go forth conquering and to conquer in the spiritual realm, though the physical situation of his birth leant itself to a hardiness of constitution in body and soul. The proponents and lovers of the system of Ignatius admit that he was a most unpromising student in academic and religious matters, passionate for personal glory, and desirous of the recognition of the great men of the world. Despite his own deficiencies of body and mind, he achieved the glory he sought and the notice he desired: a hero and saint to his friends and followers; a devil, liar and thief to his detractors. He had grown up in a home with a father and brothers (Inigo was one of nine sons in his family, all of whom entered military service) who had ties to the Spanish chivalric orders modeled upon the pattern of the Knights Templar, an environment that filled his head with the noble deeds of warriors of the faith, and likely exposed him to the esoteric arts and occult traditions preserved in the Templars. It was suspected by the Inquisition that Ignatius was a member of the “Alumbrados,” Ignatius was denounced to its courts, but was released from prison after forty days, and then jailed again for forty-two days. Charges against him by local operatives of the Inquisition appear to have been repeatedly overturned by their superiors. Ignatius seems to have been granted some preferment and protection from the highest levels of the Spanish Court and Catholic authorities that caused him to escape the clutches of the Inquisition. The definition of the term in the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia is as follows: “Alumbrados-The name assumed by some false mystics who appeared in Spain in the sixteenth century and claimed to have direct intercourse with God. They held that the human soul can reach such a degree of perfection that it contemplates even in the present life the essence of God and comprehends the mystery of the Trinity. All external worship, they declared, is superfluous, the reception of the sacraments useless, and sin impossible in this state of complete union with Him Who is Perfection Itself. Carnal desires may be indulged and other sinful actions committed freely without staining the soul. The highest perfection attainable by the Christian consists in the elimination of all activity, the loss of individuality, and complete absorption in God.” This description of Illuminism is a description of the spiritual basis of Jesuitism. The principle that sin could be committed without fear or guilt was the doctrine of the Alumbrados, and became the doctrine of the Jesuits. Jesuit James Broderick states in his 1956 work “Saint Ignatius Loyola” that Ignatius saw “something in the air close to him, which gave him much satisfaction because it was exceeding beautiful…it seemed to somehow have the form of a serpent, with many things that shone like eyes, though they were not eyes.” (Page 92) It appeared to him for a “period of fifteen years,” concurrent with his visions of Mary, Jesus Christ, and “The Holy Trinity under the figure of three keys. This was accompanied with so many tears and so much sobbing that he could not control himself.” (St. Ignatius’ Own Story, Regnery, 1956, Page 22.) According to Catholic definition, Ignatius was an “Alumbrado” or Illuminist. The Society of Jesus is the repository of the ancient esoteric traditions, occult practices, and syncretistic practices of the Templars. These occult threads converge and intertwine in the Jesuit Order doctrinally with the teaching that absolute submission to a spiritual superior can and will result in a state of perfection where no action commanded and then committed can ever be sin.
Inigo was admitted to the Roman Catholic priesthood at “an early age” (The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913) and “tonsured” but was for some “unknown reason” released from his vows. (The release from or breaking of monastic and clerical vows is reprehended by all Romanist authors concerning Martin Luther and the other Reformers, but is passed over with a roaring silence by Catholic writers.) Subsequent to this, young Inigo was sent to the home of the contador mayor (chief treasurer) of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain, where he served in their court in some capacity which is not agreed upon by the Catholic writers. It is certain that he learned something of his host’s book keeping and banking profession and this would well account for the later mechanical fashion and form of the Spiritual Exercises. This training would also familiarize the young Spaniard with methods of handling and increasing acquired wealth. His later history and that of his Order reveal an astuteness and acumen in dealing with money, lands, and properties endowed upon the Jesuits by their wealthy dupes. It is to be well remembered that every “religious” takes a “vow of poverty,” only to then precede living from the money and labor of others. Ignatius during his early years was a beggar, begging money from other men that he might devote himself to study and his spiritual pursuits. In rejection of the command, “That if any would not work, neither should he eat” (2 Thessalonians 3:10) he whole heartedly sought the wealth of others for his own benefit. The Jesuit painted picture of a disheveled itinerant wanderer and religious student begging along a roadside cannot be entirely correct or honest. “He went to great pains to find an employer.” (Ignatius’s Own Story, Regnery, 1956, Page 56.) Monks and friars of his acquaintance “found it impossible to get an employer for him.” (Ibid. Previous) One then suggested to him that he leave Paris to go beg in Flanders, where he could get enough money in two months to last him a year. “Once he went over to England and brought back a larger sum in alms that he had been accustomed to do in former years.” (Ignatius’s Own Story, Regnery, 1956, Page 53) In the summer of 1530, the supposed destitute, wandering hallucinating pilgrim student had the wherewithal and connections to visit “London” “for the purpose of collecting alms from the numerous Spaniards who at that time resided in the English metropolis. His visit appears to have been a very brief one, and very little is known about it.” (The Jesuits in Great Britain, 1903, Routledge, Chapter One, First Page.)
What can be known is that the cosmopolitan, wealthy Spaniards living in England would have been ill disposed to endow an un-introduced, ragged beggar with alms who only some short years before had been imprisoned twice in Spain (Alcala and Salamanca) on suspicions of heresy, being a spiritual deviant in violation of inquisitorial Canon Law. These Spaniards would have been merchant men and traders of wines, leather, cork and other Spanish commodities; or retainers and household members of the Spanish Ambassador, whose residence was a portion of the house occupied by the Austin Friars. It is even possible that Ignatius received money or jewels through an intermediary from Catherine of Aragon, the divorced ex-Queen of Henry VIII, a woman much acknowledged for her Popish devotion who still retained her own Spanish ladies in waiting. One Jesuit has stated in his writings that Loyola may have visited Thomas More to peruse his substantial library to enhance his studies and devotions. Sir Thomas More was Lord Chancellor of England at the time, Ignatius’s ability to utilize his library filled with Latin works could only have been rudimentary. Far more likely Ignatius was on a political and religious mission, not just a begging mission, and that he was getting first hand accounts of the doings of King Henry VIII in his government.
“That he would visit the famous and not yet desecrated shrine of Thomas of Canterbury, either on his way to London or on his return to France, we may regard as well-nigh certain; and as more certain that he would sometimes go to pray at the tomb of St. Edward the Confessor in the abbey of Westminster. It is probable, too, that he was hospitably received at the Charterhouse by the Carthusian monks, whose brethren in Paris were amongst his closest friends, and who ere long would, with one unhappy exception, choose death in it most revolting forms rather than admit Henry’s impious claim. Some were hanged under circumstances of peculiar atrocity. With all these devoted men Ignatius had probably held conference on the miseries and dangers of his time.” (St. Ignatius Loyola and the Early Jesuits, by Stewart Rose. Burns and Oates, London, 1891. Pages 153, 154.) Ignatius would have visited the shrine of the traitor Thomas A Becket, spent time with the seditious Carthusian monks who would not recognize Henry’s supremacy, and in between feasted and begged in “the houses of the Spanish merchants, who were clustered together near the river, in the neighbor hood of the Old Broad Street.” (Ibid, Previous, Page154.) The Catholic author has conjectured a very likely, but probably not full itinerary of Ignatius’s foot travel in Britain. The same author said that the “apostasy” of Henry “must have been as gall and wormwood to the heart of St. Ignatius, filling it at once with a righteous indignation at the wickedness of Henry and his counsellors.” (Ibid, Previous, Page 153.) Loyola’s presence would have been a comfort and encouragement to these seditious monks who possessed no private religion or assurance of salvation apart from the Papal blessing. He would have urged them forward in the resistance to Henry, and would have approved the same in Thomas More. The seditious aspect of Jesuitism is rooted in the faith and practice of its founder; no Jesuit has ever denied that its principles come from him.
Prior to his journey across the English Channel, on his first begging journey to Bruges and Antwerp, Loyola encountered a Spaniard of high repute and learning. “He met at Bruges the Spanish humanist Juan Luis Vives, who had recently returned from his post in England.” (The Society of Jesus in Ireland, Scotland and England 1541-1588 by Thomas M. McCoog. Page 12, published by Brill, 1996.) Vives was a professor at the Louvain who had come to England at the invitation of Henry, acted as tutor to Princess Mary (later “Bloody Mary”), but was forced to leave England because he had declared himself against the divorce of Catherine of Aragon. (Encyclopedia Britannica,11th Edition, Handy Edition, 1911, Vol. 28, Pages 152-153.) This Spanish Papist was a connection for Ignatius to the Spaniards in England. He was an excellent Catholic role model for Ignatius, having produced a most bigoted and fanatic, religious murderess in his education of Mary. His up to date knowledge of England, together with letters of introduction from him would have provided open doors for Loyola throughout all strata of Catholic and Spanish society in England. Ignatius also would have been easily able to serve as a courier, bringing messages in and then gathering information for his Lord, the Pope. The beginning of Jesuit espionage and counterintelligence began with the founder of the Order, a calculating militarist who well understood the importance of reconnaissance, logistics and planning.
This begging visit of Ignatius came at a crucial point in English history; just after Henry’s divorce of Catherine and subsequent to the fall of Cardinal Wolsey from the Lord Chancellorship. Thomas Cromwell, a man favorably disposed towards what became Protestantism, was rising in the King’s favor. The dissolution of the major monasteries of England was imminent, the monks and nuns of England were held in disrepute, and the gospel of the grace of God was being heard, read and received by many in England. Roman Catholicism was coming on hard times in the island, collapsing under the weight of its own evils, but even as it sunk, its future champion visited the city on the Thames. Ignatius, still a son of Spanish nobility, now loyal son of the Church, was received and funded by wealthy Spaniards and nobles. This indicates he bore with him some form of official sanction from Rome, Spain, or both. The same man whom women fled from and children stoned is found moving among well dressed, well mannered and wealthy people with guile and success. The mad ascetic moves from the cave to the cathedral with too much ease and too ready an acceptance-an acceptance that strains credulity. His brief but rather successful trip to London appears to have had the approval of some higher power, to have not been carried out on a fancy or whim, at pivotal point in his personal history and that of England. In light of his subsequent doings, it would be foolish to believe that begging was the sole purpose of this visit. Religion and politics converged into one at the onset of the Reformation; every religious change quickly brought political ramifications. Religion and politics was the program of Ignatius from the inception of his Order. There is no reason to think his mission to England was anything less.
The early training of Loyola would later bear fruit in the spiritual surveillance, physical espionage, and a “human resource” inventory system that was developed within the Society. “The detective system which prevails to so iniquitous an extent amongst the Jesuits must prevent friendship by destroying mutual confidence. Loyola was an admirable model for the imitation of his followers in this respect. When in the immediate vicinity of his brother’s castle, to which he was most cordially invited, he passed it coldly by without even a sigh for “auld Lang syne;” and long afterwards when a letter from his brother was placed in his hand, the wretch, proving himself to be a true apostate, as being “without natural affection” threw it unopened into the fire which was burning before him! Yet Loyola was often affected by a disease in the eyes, caused by excessive weeping while delivering his singularly pathetic and powerful discourse!” Full dictatorial surveillance based on the Jesuit model was openly implemented in Western Europe under the Gestapo, and this was improved and expanded upon to control and permeate the intelligence agencies of all nations. It has birthed as well a fraternity of men who have demonstrated the ability to amass the wealth of the nations in heaps and piles across the globe for use to achieve the designs for world domination.
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The nativity of Ignatius in the mountainous Basque region of Spain would seem an unlikely place to produce a son that would go forth conquering and to conquer in the spiritual realm, though the physical situation of his birth leant itself to a hardiness of constitution in body and soul. The proponents and lovers of the system of Ignatius admit that he was a most unpromising student in academic and religious matters, passionate for personal glory, and desirous of the recognition of the great men of the world. Despite his own deficiencies of body and mind, he achieved the glory he sought and the notice he desired: a hero and saint to his friends and followers; a devil, liar and thief to his detractors. He had grown up in a home with a father and brothers (Inigo was one of nine sons in his family, all of whom entered military service) who had ties to the Spanish chivalric orders modeled upon the pattern of the Knights Templar, an environment that filled his head with the noble deeds of warriors of the faith, and likely exposed him to the esoteric arts and occult traditions preserved in the Templars. It was suspected by the Inquisition that Ignatius was a member of the “Alumbrados,” Ignatius was denounced to its courts, but was released from prison after forty days, and then jailed again for forty-two days. Charges against him by local operatives of the Inquisition appear to have been repeatedly overturned by their superiors. Ignatius seems to have been granted some preferment and protection from the highest levels of the Spanish Court and Catholic authorities that caused him to escape the clutches of the Inquisition. The definition of the term in the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia is as follows: “Alumbrados-The name assumed by some false mystics who appeared in Spain in the sixteenth century and claimed to have direct intercourse with God. They held that the human soul can reach such a degree of perfection that it contemplates even in the present life the essence of God and comprehends the mystery of the Trinity. All external worship, they declared, is superfluous, the reception of the sacraments useless, and sin impossible in this state of complete union with Him Who is Perfection Itself. Carnal desires may be indulged and other sinful actions committed freely without staining the soul. The highest perfection attainable by the Christian consists in the elimination of all activity, the loss of individuality, and complete absorption in God.” This description of Illuminism is a description of the spiritual basis of Jesuitism. The principle that sin could be committed without fear or guilt was the doctrine of the Alumbrados, and became the doctrine of the Jesuits. Jesuit James Broderick states in his 1956 work “Saint Ignatius Loyola” that Ignatius saw “something in the air close to him, which gave him much satisfaction because it was exceeding beautiful…it seemed to somehow have the form of a serpent, with many things that shone like eyes, though they were not eyes.” (Page 92) It appeared to him for a “period of fifteen years,” concurrent with his visions of Mary, Jesus Christ, and “The Holy Trinity under the figure of three keys. This was accompanied with so many tears and so much sobbing that he could not control himself.” (St. Ignatius’ Own Story, Regnery, 1956, Page 22.) According to Catholic definition, Ignatius was an “Alumbrado” or Illuminist. The Society of Jesus is the repository of the ancient esoteric traditions, occult practices, and syncretistic practices of the Templars. These occult threads converge and intertwine in the Jesuit Order doctrinally with the teaching that absolute submission to a spiritual superior can and will result in a state of perfection where no action commanded and then committed can ever be sin.
Inigo was admitted to the Roman Catholic priesthood at “an early age” (The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913) and “tonsured” but was for some “unknown reason” released from his vows. (The release from or breaking of monastic and clerical vows is reprehended by all Romanist authors concerning Martin Luther and the other Reformers, but is passed over with a roaring silence by Catholic writers.) Subsequent to this, young Inigo was sent to the home of the contador mayor (chief treasurer) of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain, where he served in their court in some capacity which is not agreed upon by the Catholic writers. It is certain that he learned something of his host’s book keeping and banking profession and this would well account for the later mechanical fashion and form of the Spiritual Exercises. This training would also familiarize the young Spaniard with methods of handling and increasing acquired wealth. His later history and that of his Order reveal an astuteness and acumen in dealing with money, lands, and properties endowed upon the Jesuits by their wealthy dupes. It is to be well remembered that every “religious” takes a “vow of poverty,” only to then precede living from the money and labor of others. Ignatius during his early years was a beggar, begging money from other men that he might devote himself to study and his spiritual pursuits. In rejection of the command, “That if any would not work, neither should he eat” (2 Thessalonians 3:10) he whole heartedly sought the wealth of others for his own benefit. The Jesuit painted picture of a disheveled itinerant wanderer and religious student begging along a roadside cannot be entirely correct or honest. “He went to great pains to find an employer.” (Ignatius’s Own Story, Regnery, 1956, Page 56.) Monks and friars of his acquaintance “found it impossible to get an employer for him.” (Ibid. Previous) One then suggested to him that he leave Paris to go beg in Flanders, where he could get enough money in two months to last him a year. “Once he went over to England and brought back a larger sum in alms that he had been accustomed to do in former years.” (Ignatius’s Own Story, Regnery, 1956, Page 53) In the summer of 1530, the supposed destitute, wandering hallucinating pilgrim student had the wherewithal and connections to visit “London” “for the purpose of collecting alms from the numerous Spaniards who at that time resided in the English metropolis. His visit appears to have been a very brief one, and very little is known about it.” (The Jesuits in Great Britain, 1903, Routledge, Chapter One, First Page.)
What can be known is that the cosmopolitan, wealthy Spaniards living in England would have been ill disposed to endow an un-introduced, ragged beggar with alms who only some short years before had been imprisoned twice in Spain (Alcala and Salamanca) on suspicions of heresy, being a spiritual deviant in violation of inquisitorial Canon Law. These Spaniards would have been merchant men and traders of wines, leather, cork and other Spanish commodities; or retainers and household members of the Spanish Ambassador, whose residence was a portion of the house occupied by the Austin Friars. It is even possible that Ignatius received money or jewels through an intermediary from Catherine of Aragon, the divorced ex-Queen of Henry VIII, a woman much acknowledged for her Popish devotion who still retained her own Spanish ladies in waiting. One Jesuit has stated in his writings that Loyola may have visited Thomas More to peruse his substantial library to enhance his studies and devotions. Sir Thomas More was Lord Chancellor of England at the time, Ignatius’s ability to utilize his library filled with Latin works could only have been rudimentary. Far more likely Ignatius was on a political and religious mission, not just a begging mission, and that he was getting first hand accounts of the doings of King Henry VIII in his government.
“That he would visit the famous and not yet desecrated shrine of Thomas of Canterbury, either on his way to London or on his return to France, we may regard as well-nigh certain; and as more certain that he would sometimes go to pray at the tomb of St. Edward the Confessor in the abbey of Westminster. It is probable, too, that he was hospitably received at the Charterhouse by the Carthusian monks, whose brethren in Paris were amongst his closest friends, and who ere long would, with one unhappy exception, choose death in it most revolting forms rather than admit Henry’s impious claim. Some were hanged under circumstances of peculiar atrocity. With all these devoted men Ignatius had probably held conference on the miseries and dangers of his time.” (St. Ignatius Loyola and the Early Jesuits, by Stewart Rose. Burns and Oates, London, 1891. Pages 153, 154.) Ignatius would have visited the shrine of the traitor Thomas A Becket, spent time with the seditious Carthusian monks who would not recognize Henry’s supremacy, and in between feasted and begged in “the houses of the Spanish merchants, who were clustered together near the river, in the neighbor hood of the Old Broad Street.” (Ibid, Previous, Page154.) The Catholic author has conjectured a very likely, but probably not full itinerary of Ignatius’s foot travel in Britain. The same author said that the “apostasy” of Henry “must have been as gall and wormwood to the heart of St. Ignatius, filling it at once with a righteous indignation at the wickedness of Henry and his counsellors.” (Ibid, Previous, Page 153.) Loyola’s presence would have been a comfort and encouragement to these seditious monks who possessed no private religion or assurance of salvation apart from the Papal blessing. He would have urged them forward in the resistance to Henry, and would have approved the same in Thomas More. The seditious aspect of Jesuitism is rooted in the faith and practice of its founder; no Jesuit has ever denied that its principles come from him.
Prior to his journey across the English Channel, on his first begging journey to Bruges and Antwerp, Loyola encountered a Spaniard of high repute and learning. “He met at Bruges the Spanish humanist Juan Luis Vives, who had recently returned from his post in England.” (The Society of Jesus in Ireland, Scotland and England 1541-1588 by Thomas M. McCoog. Page 12, published by Brill, 1996.) Vives was a professor at the Louvain who had come to England at the invitation of Henry, acted as tutor to Princess Mary (later “Bloody Mary”), but was forced to leave England because he had declared himself against the divorce of Catherine of Aragon. (Encyclopedia Britannica,11th Edition, Handy Edition, 1911, Vol. 28, Pages 152-153.) This Spanish Papist was a connection for Ignatius to the Spaniards in England. He was an excellent Catholic role model for Ignatius, having produced a most bigoted and fanatic, religious murderess in his education of Mary. His up to date knowledge of England, together with letters of introduction from him would have provided open doors for Loyola throughout all strata of Catholic and Spanish society in England. Ignatius also would have been easily able to serve as a courier, bringing messages in and then gathering information for his Lord, the Pope. The beginning of Jesuit espionage and counterintelligence began with the founder of the Order, a calculating militarist who well understood the importance of reconnaissance, logistics and planning.
This begging visit of Ignatius came at a crucial point in English history; just after Henry’s divorce of Catherine and subsequent to the fall of Cardinal Wolsey from the Lord Chancellorship. Thomas Cromwell, a man favorably disposed towards what became Protestantism, was rising in the King’s favor. The dissolution of the major monasteries of England was imminent, the monks and nuns of England were held in disrepute, and the gospel of the grace of God was being heard, read and received by many in England. Roman Catholicism was coming on hard times in the island, collapsing under the weight of its own evils, but even as it sunk, its future champion visited the city on the Thames. Ignatius, still a son of Spanish nobility, now loyal son of the Church, was received and funded by wealthy Spaniards and nobles. This indicates he bore with him some form of official sanction from Rome, Spain, or both. The same man whom women fled from and children stoned is found moving among well dressed, well mannered and wealthy people with guile and success. The mad ascetic moves from the cave to the cathedral with too much ease and too ready an acceptance-an acceptance that strains credulity. His brief but rather successful trip to London appears to have had the approval of some higher power, to have not been carried out on a fancy or whim, at pivotal point in his personal history and that of England. In light of his subsequent doings, it would be foolish to believe that begging was the sole purpose of this visit. Religion and politics converged into one at the onset of the Reformation; every religious change quickly brought political ramifications. Religion and politics was the program of Ignatius from the inception of his Order. There is no reason to think his mission to England was anything less.
The early training of Loyola would later bear fruit in the spiritual surveillance, physical espionage, and a “human resource” inventory system that was developed within the Society. “The detective system which prevails to so iniquitous an extent amongst the Jesuits must prevent friendship by destroying mutual confidence. Loyola was an admirable model for the imitation of his followers in this respect. When in the immediate vicinity of his brother’s castle, to which he was most cordially invited, he passed it coldly by without even a sigh for “auld Lang syne;” and long afterwards when a letter from his brother was placed in his hand, the wretch, proving himself to be a true apostate, as being “without natural affection” threw it unopened into the fire which was burning before him! Yet Loyola was often affected by a disease in the eyes, caused by excessive weeping while delivering his singularly pathetic and powerful discourse!” Full dictatorial surveillance based on the Jesuit model was openly implemented in Western Europe under the Gestapo, and this was improved and expanded upon to control and permeate the intelligence agencies of all nations. It has birthed as well a fraternity of men who have demonstrated the ability to amass the wealth of the nations in heaps and piles across the globe for use to achieve the designs for world domination.
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